S1 EP.8 – Let Me Just Have This One – A review of bad Movie Adaptations pt.2

The guys, (Kareem, Ken & Pat) continue reviewing bad comic adaptations with special guest J.P.G. Tangents include veering off into Eddie Murphy’s dual personas, the history of “Werewolf by Night”, Cyclops’ failed leadership, and more.

Show Notes

Topic 1

1. Main point – What makes a bad comic movie

We have an objectional idea of what makes a good comic movie by measure both Gross and possible Rotten Tomato Score as seen below, but how do we measure the inverse?

Strength in numbers

Marvel put together its most beloved superheroes to take on Thanos and all the box office records. And the long, systematic strategy of producing individual heroes’ stories between the releases of the Avengers series helped build hype for the collective effort. The plan worked: all of the Avengers movies rank in the highest-grossing top 10 for Marvel.

And when it comes to ratings, they score high too. Avengers: Endgame earned a 94% Rotten Tomatoes score, and the lowest-rated film of the series, Avengers: Age of Ultron, still managed to get a 75% rating.

Avengers: Endgame, which was the final film of the series, made nearly $750 million more than the second-highest box office performer, Avengers: Infinity War. While Avengers: Endgame may have ended on a down note, it’s the favorite film of the Avengers franchise for most critics, as well as the highest-grossing movie of all time, beating out Avatar, Titanic, and Star Wars: The Force Awakens.

From <https://www.reviews.org/tv-service/marvel-vs-dc-big-budgets-rotten-ratings/>

So, for a bad movie:

We need an anti-hero

The secret to a high ROI might be, “Don’t make the most obvious good guy your story’s protagonist.” The only two movies to make more than $10 ROI (Joker and Deadpool) were based on anti-hero types.

Marvel vs. DC: Top 10 best investments

Title	Marvel/ DC	Production budget	Worldwide box office	ROI worldwide box office
Joker	DC	$55,000,000	1,071,739,764	1,949%
Deadpool	Marvel	$58,000,000	801,025,593	1,381%
Venom	Marvel	$116,000,000	853,628,605	736%
Aquaman	DC	$160,000,000	1,146,894,640	717%
Spider-Man: Far From Home	Marvel	$160,000,000	1,131,927,996	707%
Avengers: Endgame	Marvel	$400,000,000	2,797,800,564	699%
Avengers: Infinity War	Marvel	$300,000,000	2,048,359,754	683%
The Avengers	Marvel	$225,000,000	1,518,812,988	675%
Black Panther	Marvel	$200,000,000	1,346,913,161	673%
Captain Marvel	Marvel	$175,000,000	1,129,729,839	646%

Source: the-numbers.com and boxofficemojo.com

While DC managed to win some good gambles (and win big), it doesn’t change the fact that they also have the majority of the worst ROI films in their lineup. DC lost money on three films: Jonah Hex, The Kitchen, and Catwoman.

Marvel vs. DC: Top 10 worst investments

Title	Marvel/ DC	Production budget	Worldwide box office	ROI worldwide box office
Jonah Hex	DC	$47,000,000	$11,022,696	23%
The Kitchen	DC	$38,000,000	$15,980,032	42%
Catwoman	DC	$100,000,000	$82,145,379	82%
Elektra	Marvel	$65,000,00	$56,824,633	87%
Green Lantern	DC	$200,000,000	$219,535,492	110%
The Losers	DC	$25,000,000	$29,863,840	119%
Dark Phoenix	Marvel	$200,000,000	$246,356,895	123%
Batman: The Killing Joke	DC	$3,500,000	$4,462,034	127%
Watchmen	DC	$138,000,000	$186,976,250	135%
Fantastic Four	DC	$56,117,548	$167,849,187	140%

Source: the-numbers.com and boxofficemojo.com

Contrasting the top 10, DC holds seven out of 10 of the bottom spots for the lowest return on investment, but they’re not alone in the gamble: Marvel also lost out with Dark Phoenix which earned $1.23 per production dollar spent. Even worse, Marvel’s Elektra earned only $0.87 for every dollar spent, a negative return on investment for the studio.

Curious to find out how DC’s latest film Harley Quin: Birds of Prey did? Harley had an $84,500,000 budget and brought in $201,858,461 worldwide at the box office. With a return on investment of 240%, or $2.40 for every dollar invested in production, the film didn’t make Warner Bros. any big bucks, but it didn’t lose the studio money, either.

From <https://www.reviews.org/tv-service/marvel-vs-dc-big-budgets-rotten-ratings/>

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Topic 2: Duration:30-45 mins

1. Main point

Discussing the movies themselves

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Topic 3: Duration:30-45 mins

1. Main point

Coming to a consensus on worst comic movie of the last 20 years

EP.120 – Jimmy Olsen's Manosphere Problem – A Review of James Gunn's Superman pt.4 – Tangential Giants Podcast

The Tangential Giants return to finally wrap up their review of James Gunn’s Superman, and somehow, the last stretch of the movie gives them even more chaos to chew on. Kareem, Ken, Pat, and guest Tim dive straight into Jimmy Olsen’s full-blown Manosphere spiral, because apparently, even in the DCU, no one is safe from a podcast algorithm gone rogue.From there, the crew takes a hard look at the new Kents, who are depicted as so financially underwater that even Smallville’s cows are probably judging them. Then comes Lex Luthor’s army of Musk-like minions, a collection of tech bros who look like they’d unionize only to demand more stock options in exchange for less dignity.And of course, the episode wouldn’t be complete without discussing this new foul-mouthed Supergirl, who arrives like a cosmic warning label and immediately starts cussing out anyone within a five-mile radius. The Giants try to make sense of it all, but naturally end up wandering into philosophical detours, comic book lore debates, and at least one argument about whether Jimmy Olsen needs therapy or a firmware update.If you enjoy superhero analysis mixed with unhinged tangents, this is the perfect finale to the Superman review saga.#tangentialgiants #superman #jamesgunn #supergirl #jimmyolsen #LexLuthor #dcu #dcuniverse #supermanmovie #comicbookmovies #nerdpodcast #popculturepodcast #dccomics #moviediscussions #superherotalk #podcastlife #dcfans